I share your first few ancestors! A deposition from Trader Robert Due/Dews from 1777 stated that Old Tassel was the uncle of John Watts Young Tassel. ( Colonial and State Records of North Carolina, Volume 22, Pages 995-1005, Deposition of Robert Dews concerning relations with Native Americans, January 22, 1777. Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians (1824-present), Cherokee Nation in Indian Territory (18391907), United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians (1939present), This page was last edited on 30 December 2022, at 05:30. That said, Many of us are solidly related and are already citizens of the Cherokee Nation. 1847, in DeSota County, Mississippi. After they had surrounded the place, Bob Benge negotiated with the inhabitants, agreeing that if they surrendered, their lives would be spared. I went to the Research center at Tahlequah last week but, was looking for my husband who is enrolled and wants to find out what clan he comes from. I am related to Amatoya through his son, Old Hop, Sookie Hopper, Catherine McDaniel, Mary Elvira Hensley, Mary Elvira Ward, to Lille Belle Holland, who is my 3rd great grandmother! Try Elizabeth "Quatsey" Betsy McDaniel whom was married to James Thomas Essary. I have decided to treat my known ancestors of mixed and full blood with a 'this is what is possible' and not a definite 'this is how it is'. I am descended from Ann Dabbs (maiden name: Watts and born 1773) who was the daughter of Malachi (Unacata or "White Man Killer" Watts (born around 1751-1754). I love our families history.. Kathie gets out her big broom to clean up the mess! Since I'm posting this on the world WILD web, here is my untraceable number: (424) 274-0663. They captured and burned Gillespie's Station, killing its defenders and taking several prisoners. She was born in 1832. -Heather. Yes it would. Elizabeth Watts is an American Emmy award-winning anchor who is currently working at KOAA. Yes, the Vanns seem an appropriate people to decide who are the real Cherokee and who aren't. [email protected] Jackie Owen Perry on face book, There is zero proof that "Moytoy" had any descendants. 578 posts. So, a few generations later, they actually saw the bonds as ones of family [which is the truth]. [email protected], HEY, DO YOU MATCH WITH ME ON ANCESTRY OR 23 AND ME OR GED MATCH? My name is William Ray Allison, Jr. My dad's mother, Cora Waters, was enrolled in the Dawes Roll as was her mother, Maudie Condreay Waters, her mother, Barbara Allie Palone Condreay, and her mother, Mary Parris Palone. Daniel Dodson Watson (alias "Watts") was my great, great grandmother, Sarah Ellen (Watson)Akins' older brother; they were two of the children of Eli and Rebecca Watson (alias "Watts")who came to Alabama with Eli's parents, John & Mahala (Long) Watson in the 1830's from North Carolina. Elizabeth Judd was the daugther of Rowland Judd and Robin Moytoy/Cherokee. He was known as a trader in interpreter. Many of the modern surnames in the dictionary can be traced back to Britain and Ireland, Do not sell or share my personal information. Download: small (250x250 max) medium (500x500 max) large ( > 500x500) Full Resolution . In my line Tharp marries a female Vance. This is my Email address [email protected] . **Also known as Sally, Sookie, and Granny Hopper. I am a citizen of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. His pension application lists all the places he lived in North Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, and Alabama. Other than Cheerokee chief? From sites like Ancestry & others. you can reach me at [email protected] you so much! As someone also doing research, I find your story quite interesting. Ensign Thomas Ayres (to Oglethorpe) was of mixed blood but educated in England where his wealthy father, who was on the Georgia Board, found him a position with Oglethorpe. Yes, there is a lot of conflicting information out there. Watts was seriously wounded, and Siksika (known as "The Shawnee Warrior," and an older brother of Tecumseh)); Tahlonteeskee (also called Talotiskee of the Broken Arrow, a Muscogee warrior); Little Owl (a brother of Dragging Canoe); and Pumpkin Boy (a brother of Doublehead), all died in the encounter.[4]. I am NOT susceptible to solicitations from scammers of any kind nor interested in random commenters on this topic, unless you are providing helpful info. Hi Relatives!!! Probably more Jewish than 90% of the European Jews runnin' around the world, playin' Indian like Dustin Hoffman in Little Big Man. He seems to have been the son of Trader John Watts and the brother of John Watts . is there a free place to search dawes rolls? 1 1 1 2 5 3 1 4 1 5: Nancy Ann Ivey. Aller directement au menu principal. If you just do your own research and study based on factual truth like I did, then you will see that this Thomas Pasmere Corn Planter Carpenter is nothing more than a made up fictional and fraudulent character. I just was googling Attacullaculla's decendents and came across the name "Nancy Ward". She got married had a daughter and named her Lucy ward the all. She would interview me for multiple news stories and her reporting skills were excellent. Catherine "Katie" Copeland, born abt 1811 was married to Shadrack Jackson, my grandfather many times distant. I think his number was 2038. I have over 140 names associated with the dawes and guion miller rolls but none of which have proven beneficial due to the 7 years of enrollment and residence in ok at the time rule. how was attacullaculla and kanastoga both grandfathers of Major ridge andGeneral Stand Watie, Amatoya Moytoy is your 9th great grandfather. Does anyone have any information of direct descendants of Moytoy I or II that are on the Dawes Final Rolls? There is some circumstantial evidence that he was the father of John Jolly. I am a descendant of MoytoyI through his granddaught BlueSky Cornstalk who was Grandadughter of Amatoy's son Amatoy of Tellico. I had my DNA tested and I do show Native DNA . Your family disgraced our people. Inquiring minds want to know!! Mrs. Elizabeth Watts A Biographic Sketch Route #2, Box 168, Muskogee, Oklahoma By L. D. Wilson, Field Worker Indian-Pioneer History Source of Information received from a . History can't be copyrighted. Corntassel had been close friends with a man known as "the Robin" who was killed, leaving his daughter, Susan Robbins, an orphan in the old Cherokee Nation. Maybe but my relatives still live in West Virginia that comes step by step of going to the moytoy. "Chickamauga Cherokee Wars (1776-1794) - part 7 of 9", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Watts_(Cherokee_chief)&oldid=1130442447, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0. I believe he should be detached from Wurteh. You should be trying to think of ways that your family can right the numerous wrongs they committed in the past. I believe he should be detached from Wurteh. But, that is a whole other story as it turned out to be Choctaw. A deposition from Trader Robert Due/Dews from 1777 stated that Old Tassel was the uncle of John Watts Young Tassel. ( Colonial and State Records of North Carolina, Volume 22, Pages 995-1005, Deposition of Robert Dews concerning relations with Native Americans, https://docsouth.unc.edu/csr/index.html/document/csr22-0706. (i'm also the granddaughter of richard essary sr.). Through various historical sources I can find numerous documented accounts of Moytoy of Tellico (who you call Moytoy II), but I find no references anywhere to his father. . I just found my family i from WaLi Vann John trader Vann 1700's. John Jolly (Due): John Jolly was a Cherokee chief, (half?) I can be reached at [email protected]. Her mother was Nancy or Nannie Ward, daughter of Catherine McDaniel, who was the daughter of Granny Hopper, who was Old Hop's daughter. I can document the link to both husbands, but cannot document her child with Thomas Ayres., although men who have spent their lives writing and researching the Cherokee in SC and GA, told me that they had always thought that what I have is correct, but that I would never prove it. They had four children, 3 boys and a girl. I have been doing research for ten years in hopes to find a roll number to which I can apply for a CDIB card from at Cherokee Nation in Tahlequah, OK. So DNA isn't going to tell you if you're Indian or not. I did the research of names that he shared with me and the best resource to share is Cherokee Lineages by James R. Hicks, Jr. via FamilyTreeMaker.com. That alone would make one look sideways but that's the way it has worked out, and although I can assure you it's the truth as I can find it, I will never prove it! >k.c. John Jolly had a white father, possibly Robert Due, and a Cherokee mother but nothing else is known of his parents. His user name on Ancestry.com was Tahlequah. She married Thomas Lawson Kendrick on Oct 17, 1850 in Cherokee, North Carolina. They remained "full-blood" unless they remarried outside the Nation, in which case they were considered to revert or relinquish their blood-tie vow. I am from England, and have Native American Ancestry, I have tested with Ancestry, 23andme, and FTDNA My half second cousin has also tested his DNA we share a mutual Great grandmother. John Watts 1746-1808 was the "mixed-blood", or mixed-race son of British trader John Watts 1704-1779 and a Cherokee mother, Oousta White Owl Carpenter 1722-1768. He made another trip in March 1659 departing Charleston South Carolina aboard the Barbados Merchant, returning on the Concord in August 1659.Jim White, Researcher Author - Legend of The Wolf, 2005, update 2007, update 2009 Lulu Press. The young Watts was raised in Cherokee culture. So, NO, I don't claim to be from an Indian Princess but, a captured woman who married a white man. There is no documentation to support this conclusion. Joseph Vann, son of James Vann, inherited the vast wealth of James Vann even though it went against the Cherokee tradition of a Clan distributing it among all members. I know it run through my moms side but having trouble finding the information I need. Perhaps this can help you find what you are looking for. Please correct me if I'm wrong.I think many people, especially those that aren't citizens, like the notion of being related to a "chief" in an "indian tribe" as a romantic idea, and what I'm really after is "the truth" about my lineage. For a complete explanation, go to http://www.parkeradkins.wordpress.com, this is very interesting.i have been researching my family on ancestry.com and as i have always known i was of indian descent, i just recently discovered i am related to amatoyoa moytoy,ka na fire, sookie ?, i have not been able to trace back any further,but maybe someone out there can be of assistance. I have a few research partners from that line that validate this. Love this, thank you for writing it. Rodney Willett (D-Henrico) Del. It is easily searched and seen there. Pam [email protected], I believe I am 11th generation descendent of Chief Moytoy. I have traced my grandmother Claudia peddycoart to Elizabeth Ravin hop moytoy. What is this website? Which should I try to gain membership in? Elizabeth worked as a news anchor and reporter for KOAA News5 from August 2016 to July 23, 2021. while there, she received quite a fulfilling amount. please advise if anyone has answered this. Read the Freedmen's cards for the names of slaves and descendants, as those cards give the names of their former owners.The Cherokee weren't the only tribe that held slaves. According to your site: "Later he was adopted by a man called Trader Tom Watts.,who was the friend and business partner of Thomas Pasmere Carpenter"How could Tom Watts have been a business partner of Thomas Carpenter? Does any one have any proof of any Moytoy existing and any brothers or sisters having relating to any Moytoy, please email me at [email protected]. here are my direct lineal ancestors which have proved no avail. When I researched his children she was not listed, then as you say above, I learned there were many chiefs named Moytoy so here we go again. 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