Bill Johnson, and all these false prophets, teachers, evangelists, Earlier this year I felt the Lord placed it on my heart to investigate Bill Johnson , I started with what Bethel expressed as what they believe I dont see anything wrong with the statement of what they believe which I posted previously on this thread, I then listened to a number of Bill Johnsons sermons (videos) on YouTube they were all recent I tried to listen to as recent as I could, He honoured the Lord Jesus He honoured knowing the Lord Jesus He honoured the Lord Jesus words I am not saying that I agreed 100% with every single thing I heard him share but he definitely believes that Jesus is God and is Man always was God and always will be God, I am judging him by his own confession and his own confession of surrender to the Lord Jesus and he has committed himself to the Lord Jesus and is living to honour him I could tell this through the spirit of what he was sharing in his sermons, In the sermons I watched on YouTube which were at Bethel, Redding there was prayer for the sick where people gathered around those who were sick and prayed for them I didnt see anything weird or suspect or new age or whatever in any of these YouTube videos this was happening in their services praying for the sick and people were expressing that they were healed , Bill Johnson is going after healing He is taking seriously Jesus words, Heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons and is wanting his life and the life of his local congregation to demonstrate this, I never heard him call himself a prophet or a healer or anything else for that matter, He came across to me as a very humble man who knew the Lord personally, had surrendered himself to Him and wanted to serve and please Him, I was blessed by many of the things which I heard him share and know that he is my brother is Christ, Does that mean that hes never made a mistake in his life? I believe that our God is a might God who is 100% sovereign over everything, including life and death. Perhaps, those who are calling BURN THE WITCHES ought to actually STUDY the scriptures about how the BIBLE DEFINES sorcery and witchcraft..because whatever CURSE one speaks against the works of the Holy Spirit is actually turned back on the one who speaks the CURSE, AS A JUDGMENT OF GOD. They want hope, need hope and the only hope is found in God! Jesus 1st miracle was getting a whole wedding party DRUNK.by turning water into the very best of wines. And if this same man TELEPORTED right in front of the crowd of people, or multiplied MANNA for the crowd of people.THAT YOU WOULD BELIEVE? The Holy Spirit does NOT base this on how HOLY a person is. Later, an ICE spokesman told CBN News that Sndergaard was arrested for overstaying his visa. Just because someone says Lord, Lord, does not mean he is a child of God. The choice to believe that God heals today is choice made by each believer. Having said that however, God never asks us to throw our common sense out the window. Seymour spoke with a man who had lost his arm ten years earlier through a work-related accident. The one thing youve missed is that water is mentioned first and then the Holy Spirit. In 1995, he committed his life to Christ and felt God calling him to ministry. `in His right hand He held the 7 sealed book.`, This shows the reconciliative advocacy of the exalted Son of Man. Remember Moses staff and miracles brother? Be careful, God will warn you many times that playing with FIRE is dangerous, and in the end will hand you over to the delusion you begged and pleaded for because you refuse to repent. I found Jesus as MY SAVIOR in DEC. 1959 and remember then how God moved and we seen miracles that the young today question . In fact, without them All of us instantly felt heat like a fire go through us all. But some people who saw the video Take a look! If you dont believe that my testing of the spirits is being done in a biblical manner, then maybe you could suggest what you believe would be a proper biblical way to test the spirits. So this relates to the videos because not always doing what The Lord says is the same as not always listening to what He says. In other words, the Innocent One died for us, the guilty. 12..mainly that people try to put their brothers and sisters into a box, a box made in their own image. Indeed we are one body, a living organsim, having one head (Lord Jesus), with the body having many diverse members, each with differing giftings and callings, as determined by the one Holy Spirit. And He asked them, What are you discussing with them? And one of the crowd answered Him, Teacher, I brought You my son, possessed with a spirit which makes him mute; and whenever it seizes him, it slams him to the ground and he foams at the mouth, and grinds his teeth and stiffens out. He told the story that immediately after he was born again, he read the scripture saying to lay hands on the sick and they shall recover. The NATURE/FRUIT of God cannot be worked on or achieved by the determination of a person. Its a little annoying in other articles when everyone is living in the future worrying about the thousand year reign and who does what during the tribulation. A creator, a public speaker, a faith healer, and a Danish Christian evangelist named Torben Sondergaard has stated that God addressed him directly. with legs growing out instead of the more impressive healings 542. His reply? If this work of Torben is not of God then it will come to nothing, but if it is of God then God Himself will confirm His word and His minister. Dont get into a RUT and EXPECT the Holy Spirit to work in the same way He did the last time you noticed Him working. etc, support Bob Jones. I have For instance, if God can stretch a leg out 1/2 or so, why not find an amputee and in the name of Jesus command the limb to grow back? Too PRE-OCCUPIED with a devil that has been falsely portrayed as having EQUAL POWER AND AUTHORITY as the TRINITY..which includes the Holy Spirit that is dwelling within EVERY BORN AGAIN person. Peter spoke in Acts 2:38 Then Peter said to them: Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit . So when people tell me I try to obey the Lord , God showed me that really means no I do not obey Him always . To my utter astonishment she replied, I have no agenda other to please Him. They did not rejoice at the healings at all. One one scripture the practice is built by many churches and the fact of doing something based one scripture is itself against the Word that requires 2 or 3 witnesses. If there is one charlatan, then they rebuke all who perform wonders and healings in the Name of Jesus. So I would like to ask you about a danish evangelist Torben Sondergaard. Just like Jesus did with his own disciples. This is not the shekinah glory of God in this video, saying you believe in Jesus and not knowing a demonic false sign is a result of making self your god. ALL of which are used in the NEGATIVE. It has got to the point where I can hardly Upon his arrival in the U.S. in 2019, Sndergaard immediately applied for asylum and set up his residence in California while he grew his ministry. Johnathan Isreal- I am not ashamed to take the Lords name Christian you can say it was a handle the worldly people mockingly gave to the early followers of Jesus Christ if you want ( I doubt you are right about that enormous leap of assumption as the text does not say what you so dogmatically assume. Sndergaard and his family fled Denmark in 2019, fearing persecution and arrest following a harassment campaign by the government and media. Are you serious? And yet He said, But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! (Luke 12:50). MIRACLES ARE A MUST! Just because you believe it doesnt make it true. All of his pants were tailored to reflect that. Aarons rod that buddedmiraculously. If someone cant just agree that that is what we do as we follow Jesus then they must be going their own way. He said the hardest part is being separated from his wife and children. Bob Jones, Bill Johnson, and all these false prophets, teachers, evangelists, etc, are all in cahoots with each other. Thank you so much Andrew for sharing these videos with us. When we see the goodness of the Lord in our lives, when he heals us and fills us with his presence, it not only convinces and blesses us, but convinces unbelievers. Are you ready for a mass exodus from WIERDSVILLE ? Jesus tempered the enthusiasm of the disciples by saying not to rejoice in the demons submitting to us but to only rejoice that our names be written in the Lambs book of life. God doesnt like strange fire being mixed with His; its very distasteful. stayed in his home and spent time with his family. Are you married? 4 But I have this [one charge to make] against you: that you have left (abandoned) the love that you had at first [you have deserted Me, your first love]. The Key is always Humility and most importantly Giving God all the Glory. God always has and always will place things in the midst of His miracles that cause the insincere and the sceptic to be scandalized over and can be interpreted as either genuine or a scam. In helping to delineate the true from the false, one thing the Lord made me aware of recently is that the false relies on witchcraft (though they dont know it) whereas the true relies on the Holy Spirit. And what I learn from these ones is how the Holy Spirit through them has a real heart & compassion for those they come in contact with & that is making me address the `now,` as well as an eye on `direction.`. They will do miracles and mighty works like the magicians in the palace of pharoah, when Moses, on the Lords instruction, had his staff turned into a snake. Attacks against his ministry in Denmark began in 2016,when the Jesus Center was investigated by six different Danish government agencies for everything from food safety to unpaid taxes. `And beginning with Moses & with all the prophets, He (Jesus) explained to them the things concerning Himself in all the scriptures.` (Luke 24: 27). Finally we are in Torbin people who move in power in Jesus name who are fully clothed and in their right minds!. Revelation shows that, in the end, people will curse God because of the plagues yet still refuse to repent. Person now worships God, praises Jesus, and is Torben born again due to the fact that they can now speak in gibberish tongues. But I still have many concerns, some of which were raised from Andrew Stroms own article. Everything was dependent on the Spirits uniting men to God through their faith. See this article: Ask to pray for a person, any person, hijack them in the street or a store if necessary, and lay your lands on them if possible. I still have a lot on my heart regarding TLR, the kickstarts, etc. I desire mercy not sacrifice. Even the BABES HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. spread the word! Anytime in scripture that God done something then immediately the enemy came to destroy it. And they said to him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWOPcBry4-k. Time will tell if Torben has been sent by God to do the ministry works of Jesus as His ambassador on this earth. I totally disagree with his position. The bogus so called leg lengthening trick pulled off by the magicians is THE COPYCAT -never the other way around. 2.Where did Jesus say that? 23:25). Lol This supernatural revival among the normal ordinary folk that I prophesied about is waiting for us to cease from our religious striving, place all our hope and confidence in Jesus alone plus nothing of ourselves, surrender and yield to the Holy Spirit who will come like a pent up flood when we do. I love HIM even more. This is the understanding that GOD gave me, it is not of myself because I didnt have a clue. They are still carrying the sting of it, instead of saying, O death where is thy sting? Just saying /shrug. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. Id take issue with just one thing the gifts of healings are for the common good of both the Body of Christ (the context of 1 Corinthians 12, 13, and 14, and the public at large (where the Apostle Paul also was used of God for healing, prophecy, and so on). It is not his teachings that I have flagged so much. This reminds me of something I heard a Man of God preach about. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. Torben Sondergaard is a Danish pastor who is facing extraordinary persecution for exercising his Christian faith. The man removed the wooden leg and stood before Seymour standing on his one good leg. Why cant people see this? A wooden staff that turns into a snake. Recently I was working at a ladies house and noticed she was enormously overweight and who had breathing assist aperatuses all over her house . Thank you to Andrew Strom also, I found your article regarding Bill Johnson that I can send to my friend. An ICE spokesman told CBN News that Sndergaard was arrested for overstaying his Visa. Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. a) to be troubled with cares Jesus was circumcised when he was 8 days old, and He was baptised by John the Baptist when He was 30. It occurred to me that all that was necessary was to touch the tips of my fingers on the top of the patients head, and then the vibrations would not jar her. To me, he is one of the few preachers Exd 4:6 KJV And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. Did every person that Jesus heal get born again? Is that ever the truth! Yeshua needs no tricksters who appear to stretch out a leg to be a half inch longer. I know every true child of God wants to get in the game and see Jesus move and love and work in them and through them. So TWO SEPERATE things happened here; 1) they were baptised by the Holy Spirit just by BELIEVING in Jesus Christ no signs and wonders 2) Paul then needed them to go out and preach and he laid hands on them to speak in tongues (earthly languages) and prophecy. (John said no one can have anything unless God gives it to him Jn3:27), Isaiah Saldivar is doing the same thing today>, http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAwakening209. Marilyn, thank you, I appreciate your concernI havent finished reading it yet.usually when I read a thing I just glean what I need to glean, and dont necessarily take in the whole thing. weird, eerie, uncanny mean mysteriously strange or fantastic. I am beginning to think you are bragging and, Brother Tom; Here is another passage from Scriptures that also, The Fruit of the Spirit is listed in Galatians 5love,, I am not saying you highlighting false teaching or false, ChosenJulia, would you say that Hebrews 6 confirms or denies, My dear brother Tom, The passage in which you are, Sister Deborah; I disagree with your answer to whether or, Dear Chosen Julia A born again Christian can't lose their, Dear Jan-Hendrik Schreuder Not sure which article you posted your, Kevin E Curtis. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it. There is a great emphasis in the Last Reformation Movement on feelings and the gifts and their 'model for church' is confined to Acts. One of these deceivers is Torben Sondergaard from last reformation so-called. To Torben, I would say that if what you are doing is of the Lord, you dont need to go around tooting your own horn about it. And treat His holy things as HOLY? Are you willing to turn from your sins and put your faith / hope / trust in Jesus Christ? OH HOW MUCH EASIER IT IS TO BELIEVE A BOOK, THAN A REAL LIVE PERSON! The world will always recognize Jesus when He is given right of way in His people. Jesus said Greater things would we do after He went to be with His father. A glory cloud rose up at Johnsons church (there is even a youtube video of it) which many say was Gods glory falling and others showed it to be just glitter ( I think of Gods glory falling in past revivals and before Israel and how it brought their faces to the floor). He gave specific examples of sharing the Gospel and how the power of God has manifested throughout his time in ministry," a spokesman for his legal team said. If we dont learn from history we are bound to repeat it. But I have Jesus healed in the synagogue too. That was my concern when I read that long, complicated, history focussed misguiding information posted by Chas351. Theres talk of not judging, unless you know the person, but then no one here knows me, yet judges me. Thank you for letting the power of God be shown . No believer who reads their bible would believe that person. Rejoicing was continuous as the crowd went wild. WHENEVER HE WANTS TO AND THROUGH ANYONE HE WANTS TO. Thats not me even mentioning all the weird things that happened while I was at his school for 2 months before I left. May we look beyond the instrument and method that Almighty God will choose to use at His discretion and give Him the glory and recognition for His involvement in our individual lives..? The things of God are too precious to be treated as common. Jhn 17:12 NASB While I was with them, I WAS KEEPING THEM in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled. The fire that is called down from heaven by the beast that being the Roman Catholic church is 1) spiritual/demonic which leads to a satanic awakening and 2) the Antichrist himself will call down actual fire from heaven in the sight of men. There is no time like the present. John spoke of this again in 1Jo 5:8 Andrew, I am very disappointed that I come here with what I think is grace and humility attempting to speak from Gods word, and yet the response is more name calling and calling me to repentance. Andthey reasonedwiththemselves,saying,Ifwe shall say,Fromheaven;he will sayunto us,Whydid yenotthenbelievehim? So far, all I see out of this man is good fruit. Im pretty sure there isnt any FEAR in the DIVINE Holy Spirit. amount of `gobly gook.`. Dont for one moment let the cynics and hopelessness-mongers drag you down. he works through us and not we ourselves. Sndergaard claims to receive visions of Heaven and Hell directly from God. uncanny implies disquieting strangeness or mysteriousness . We are gentiles and we believe solely by faith and we do not need to be baptized in water. You know where I think people get this idea.from watching TV evangelists. 1) to fear, be afraid But it seems there is a lot of cynicism out there. His Kinship (relational) was expressed epressed Matthew, His Heirship in Mark, His Mediatorship in Luke & His Judgeship in John. I saw a lady several weeks later who looked like this lady but because this lady was a normal size I thought it might be her sister . Christs Kingdom is under the control of Jesus and all who are in it obey Him. Jesus did a lot of disappearing acts.TELEPORTATION. The Pioneer School (online) - Torben Sondergaard is the evangelist from Denmark whose Last Reformation movement now spans worldwide. What you said is correct. b) (Niphal) He was baptized as a baby in the state church and later confirmed, but it was only because of tradition. However, I dont perceive any self motivation from Torben. Im really excited about God doing miracles in EvangelismBut like someone else already pointed out: Shouldnt one also combine these Healings with the Gospel of Repentance? Gen 15:9-18 & Gen 17:9-14 Abraham and his Seed GaryB quoted the right scripture in Acts 5:38-39, And now I say to you, keep away from these men and let them alone; for if this plan or this work is of men, it will come to nothing; but if it is of God, you cannot overthrow itlest you even be found to fight against God.. This is what is fundamentally and pervasively wrong with the religious zealots of today- they are trying to usurp and replace what ONLY Jesus can do IN THEM AND THROUGH THEM. I just read Luke 7 where Jesus raises the widows son from the dead and great fear and rejoicing fell on all the crowd. 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